Wednesday, January 14, 2009

Summorum Pontificum: ambiguity?

Sometimes we just think of the preconciliar Roman rite, but it's going to have to be spelled out as just too many others have not gotten it...

Here's a bit of a list:

La Liturgia Romana
La Liturgia Ambrosiana
La Liturgia Gallicana
La Liturgia Mozarabica
La Liturgia Lionese
La Liturgia Domenicana
La Liturgia Francescana
La Liturgia dei Carmelitani
La Liturgia dei Premonstratensi
La Liturgia dei Certosini
La Liturgia dei Cistercense...
Il Rito Benedettino, etc.

7 comments:

Anonymous said...

Well, the Premonstratensians alone of all the religious orders never abandoned their rite, or invented variations of the 'new rite', so they at least are okay!

Johnny Boy said...

Well, that's actually not entirely correct, Mr. Anonymous. I know of at least one very orthodox abbey of Norbertines (St. Michael's in Silverado, CA) that does not use the Norbertine Rite, but rather uses the modern Roman Rite for both the Mass and Liturgy of the Hours. To a great extent, they have retained their Norbertine chant tradition, but they do not celebrate the old Norbertine Rite. That might change in the near future (indeed, many of their priests offer the Extraordinary Form of the Roman Rite), but as of right now their community does not use any of the Older Forms.

It would be excellent if the Holy See would clarify that ALL of the Western liturgical rites in use in '62 are now permitted, not just the Roman Rite.

Anonymous said...

Technically no such thing as La Liturgia Francescana. St. Francis (1181-1226) adopted the rite of the Roman Curia (e.g. Clerici faciant divinum officium secundum ordinem sanctae Romanae Ecclesiae... RuleII). In the History of Liturgy we see that one of the reasons that the Liturgy of the "Roman Church" spread throughout Europe was because the friars brought the Liturgy with them wherever they went. However I appreciate the sentiment of your entry. There are friars, Deo gratias, who are doing their best in difficult situations, to live out Summorum Pontificum in our Order, especially as the Franciscans have been dedicated to the Roman Rite for the past 800 years! Fr BLV OFM Conv

Anonymous said...

Not true. In actuality it is the Carthusians who are those who most preserved their liturgical tradition, still having Carthusian liturgical books proper.

The Dominicans also have what you refer to in relation to the Premonstratensians as well, but neither of these have what they had, nor what the Carthusians still have where the religious orders are concerned.

Gregorius Minor said...

Dear Friends,

It is correct to say that "the Premonstratensians alone of all the religious orders never abandoned their rite", in the sense that the decrees of suppression was never formally issued. Although they USE the new Rite, a Premonstratensian did not, under the previous Motu Proprio, require anyone's permission to use wither the Missal or the Breviary of their Rite.

There is a "liturgia Francescana", in the sense that there were different Calendars proper to the different Franciscan Orders, and several of these had a gnuinely enormous number of proper offices and masses. Structurally, it is of course identical to the Roman Rite.

As to the Carthusians, the liturgical books available for perusal on the website of the Great Chartreuse would seem to indicate a rather severe reform not at all in conformity with the traditional usages of the Order.

JSarto said...

My dear friend, you forgot the "Liturgia di Braga"! As a portuguese, I present my protest! :-)

Anonymous said...

The Liturgia Mozarabica (or Hispanic Rite) also has been continuosly celebrated albeit in a limited form in at least 6 parishes of Toledo Spain. Limited form because ordinations and consacration of things are usually done using the roman tradition...